Episode 11: Educational Therapy with Elizabeth Maynard

Today’s episode looks at Educational Therapy, which is not the same things as tutoring, and which can be really helpful for students with learning differences and disabilities. We are delighted to have a real live educational therapist joining us, namely Elizabeth Maynard. Also we will try not to rage about Brexit and we send love to our UK friends. 

Episode: https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-11-educational-therapy-with-elizabeth-maynard



Association of Educational Therapists: https://www.aetonline.org/


Episode 10: Talking Neurodiversity & Diagnoses

We are all back together after a period with one or the other of us away for a few weeks. Today's episode features just the three of us, and considers using and sharing diagnostic labels and/or neurological descriptors with both adults and children.  We also pause to mourn Mohammad Ali, who is now in heaven hanging out with Prince. We also talk a bit about SensoriMotor Foundations, our organization providing treatment and training in relation to neurodevelopmentally based diagnoses.

Soundcloud Link: https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-10-talking-neurodiversity-diagnosis

also on iTunes, but usually a bit behind: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/neurocurious/id1078031049?mt=2

Episode Links:

Thinking Person's Guide to Autism: http://www.thinkingautismguide.com/ 

Anne Donnellan, PhD: http://dsq-sds.org/article/view/1060/1225

Real Social Skills: http://realsocialskills.org/

Emma's Hope Book: https://emmashopebook.com/



Music by Nick Wan

Episode 9: Neuromyths with Laura Flores Shaw

Our current episode is about Neuromyths. Given they are so voluminous, varied, and undying (even flamethrowers don't seem to work on them), this will be just one of many. Jayme couldn't make it this episode, but Laura Flores Shaw joins us to chat!  Also, we sip Lemonade in honor of Beyonce (Deb saw her live just before the podcast was posted and has been torturing everyone around her by talking about it incessantly).  Also, Deb guested on the Not Your Mama's Gamer podcast with the amazing Samantha Blackmon and Alisha Karabinus, so check it out!

Soundcloud link:    https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-9-neuromyths-with-laura-flores-shaw  



Christian Jarrett's   Great Myths of the Brain

Neuromyths in Education: Prevalence and Predictors of Misconceptions among Teachers



Early Intervention that pays attention to development:  http://the-nrf.com/

Lateralization stuff:  

Asymmetry of the Brain: Development and Implications       

Dorothy Bishops's work:  http://www.psy.ox.ac.uk/team/dorothy-bishop

Problems with places like Brain Balance Centers and their sort as "interventions": 

Hyatt 2007  http://rse.sagepub.com/content/28/2/117.short

Neurobollocks:  https://neurobollocks.wordpress.com/2015/03/25/brain-balance-centers-an-insiders-perspective/




Episode 8: Football, Concussions, and tDCS oh my! with Matthew Wright

This week's episode considers Transcranial Direct Current Stimulation, or tDCS, a means of modulating the brain’s function through “non-invasive” electrical stimulation. We will also talk  about long term effects of concussion on football players. Happily, we are joined by Dr. Matthew Wright, who is an expert in these things and can help us navigate the mountains of conflicting information that abounds in both areas. Also, we must talk about our love for Prince, who passed away suddenly a few days prior to recording.

Link:  https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-8-matthew-wright-on-concussion-tdcs-and-sports

itunes:  https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/neurocurious/id1078031049?mt=2

Matthew Wright, Ph.D.:   http://www.harboruclapsych.com/matthew-wright-ph-d-2/     https://www.facebook.com/NERD.ResearchLab/info?tab=overview

Index predictive of cognitive outcome in retired professional American Football players: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13803395.2016.1139057

tDCS articles:

Cadaver story: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/04/cadaver-study-casts-doubts-how-zapping-brain-may-boost-mood-relieve-pain

tDCS reduces IQ: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166432815002739

Meta-analysis of tDCS polarity effects: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00221-011-2891-9

M1 excitability and tDCS in stroke: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4510929/

Online Effects of tDCS in real time on prefrontal and striatal metabolites:  http://www.biologicalpsychiatryjournal.com/article/S0006-3223%2815%2900961-0/abstract

Nick Davis on concerns re tDCS in children:  http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4122183/

Bill found Matt's visit electrifying

Bill found Matt's visit electrifying

Episode 7: Social Learning with Kelly Priest

Today's episode sails into the churning seas of social interaction, where many a neurotypical and non-neurotypical person has become shipwrecked on the shores of shame. What is the point of having “social skills” and what is adaptive learning versus coercive training in compliance? We are joined by Kelly Priest, who specializes in helping non-neurotypical people better navigate the neurotypical world, and helping neurotypical people better understand themselves and others. Also, Peggy finally defeated the Firewatch log boss, let us raise our swords in celebration!  

Soundcloud link: http://feeds.soundcloud.com/users/soundcloud:users:129474475/sounds.rss

iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/neurocurious/id1078031049?mt=2


Kelly Priest and Associates:  http://kellypriestassociates.com/

Kelly Priest Twitter: @KellyPriestA

Suggested social learning links from Kelly:

Kelly's post about seeking and finding ways of social learning that do not come at the expense of mental health.


Sparrow Rose Jones on being open to a child's possibilities.


RealSocialSkills on consenting to therapy.



Excellent t-shirt from @realsocialskills:  https://www.bonfirefunds.com/real-social-skills-t-shirt 

What is intersectionality? Some useful links:




Some thought-provoking articles re behavioral and academic intervention:




Reminder: Music by Nick Wan https://farewellnickwan.bandcamp.com/






Episode 6: Executive Function--From Movement to Thought

Laura Flores Shaw returns to talk with us about current views of Executive Function, and how updating our understanding of Executive Function in relation to sensorimotor development  and function can aid clinical and educational practice. People sure talk a lot about Executive Function, don't they? It must be important!  But why? We discuss this, and ways that current computational and cognitive neuroscience research can aid us in freshening up some old terms. Also, what is working memory, and why should we care? Additionally Peggy has made some progress against the log boss in Firewatch, Deb and Jayme moved their offices across town without killing anyone including each other, and Laura went to Australia without encountering any deadly animals.

NOTE: We will be returning to the issue of Executive Function in relation to movement with concrete examples, including video, in the near future......stay tuned!

Soundcloud link:  https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-6-executive-function


Building a case for supported communication and viewing ASD as a movement disorder:

Elizabeth Torres, PhD


Dynamic Neuromuscular Stabilization for shoulder/arm/hand control:


Facilitated Communication Institute:


Things to read in relation to this episode:

Koziol, L.F., Budding, D., Chidekel, D. From movement to thought: Executive function, embodied cognition,and the cerebellum. The Cerebellum 2011;11:505-525.

Hazy TE, Frank MJ, O’Reilly RC. Towards an executive without a homunculus: computational models of the prefrontal cortex/basal ganglia system. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences. 2007;362(1485):1601-1613. doi:10.1098/rstb.2007.2055.

Cisek, P., and Kalaska, J.F. Neural mechanisms for interacting with a world full of action choices. Annual review of neuroscience 33 (2010): 269-298.

Collins, A.G., and Frank, M.J. Motor Demands Constrain Cognitive Rule Structures. PLOS Comput Biol 12.3 (2016): e1004785.

Wilson A. D., and Golonka S. (2013). Embodied cognition is not what you think it is. Front. Psychol. 4:58 10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00058

Outcome Study for Academics/Cogmed: http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=2498559

Also, great websites:

Notes from Two Scientific Psychologists   (we love them lots)

Paul Cisek, Ph.D.   (his website was down, but now it's back up, yay)

Michael J. Frank, Ph.D.  (his work is super interesting, trust us)

Carol Seger, Ph.D. (we didn't mention her specifically in this episode, but she is the bomb)

Elizabeth Torres, Ph.D. (her work is really, really cool)

Leonard F. Koziol, Psy.D. (he has lots of cool ideas about clinical application, including about working memory; also he's a chess master)




Episode 5: The Application of Neurologic Music Therapy

This episode is a follow-up from Episode 2, where we went deep into the science of NMT.  This time the ladies dive into  application aspects of Neurologic Music Therapy (NMT), with an emphasis on working with neurodevelopmental differences and diagnoses. Peggy answers questions and illustrates how NMT can address the complex needs of these populations.  She also informs us that she is still at odds with her new-found "love" of video games, and continues to be slaughtered by Firewatch's log boss.  We continue to shake our fists at the audio goddesses, as Jayme's microphone features an echo. 



Neurologic Music Therapy -- nmtacademy.co

Darlene Hanson MA, SLP-CCC -- http://reach.services/services/communicationnpa/

Facilitated Communication --http://www.soe.syr.edu/centers_institutes/institute_communication_inclusion/default.aspx

Chiari Malformation -- http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/chiari/detail_chiari.htm

Presumed Competence-- https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/aspergers-diary/201401/acceptance-empathy-and-presuming-competence

Pop Culture Coven, New Podcast by tzufit:   https://popculturecoven.simplecast.fm/

Episode 4: Montessori with Laura Flores Shaw

This week we spend some time with the lovely Laura Flores Shaw to discuss Montessori education.  She explains its origins, some misconceptions, and how it fits into a sensorimotor approach to education.  Warning, occasional silliness ensues! Also Peggy tries a video game (Firewatch) and learns logs can be dangerous enemies. Had some audio trouble, but we prevailed.

Soundcloud Link: https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-4-laura-flores-shaw


Laura Flores Shaw -- www.laurafloresshaw.com    Twitter -- www.twitter.com/lflorshaw    

Laura's Huffington Post -- www.huffingtonpost.com/laura-flores-shaw/

White Paper Press -- www.whitepaperpress.us

Montessori Resources -- www.public-montessori.org/resources-library

Montessori for Autism -- www.montessorieducationforautism.com

Society for Neuroscience Banter (SfN Banter) -- https://twitter.com/sfnbanter  @doc_becca

Firewatch game by Campo Santo

Podcast music courtesy of Nick Wan https://farewellnickwan.bandcamp.com/

Episode 3: Interview with Chris Madan

This week, Peggy stays home while Deb and Jayme venture to Boston for the International Neuropsychological Society conference and chat with neuroscientist Chris Madan about decision making, reward, pigeons, brain stimulation and some clinical application issues (later in the episode). Wine instead of coffee may have been involved. Also shout out to lovely @caitvw and @ohambiguity who joined us for a tweetup in Boston, and Christine Clancy and Jennifer Cass, who also sat in on the recording. Only one microphone for everyone, so be prepared for the audio repercussions. A little inside baseball, but that might be kinda fun for non psych/neuroscience folk.

Soundcloud Link: https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-3-interview-with-chris-madan

iTunues: https://itunes.apple.com/au/podcast/neurocurious/id1078031049?mt=2

Christopher Madan
Website: http://www.cmadan.com
Recently curated @realscientists (https://twitter.com/realscientists; http://realscientists.org), storified highlights from discussions related to memory and decision-making: http://www.cmadan.com/realscientists.php

Chris Madan's papers particularly relevant to discussion at hand:
Biases in decisions from experience: http://www.cmadan.com/papers/LudvEtal2014_JBDM.pdf
Role of memory: http://www.cmadan.com/papers/MadaEtal2014_PBR.pdf
Similar risk preferences in humans and pigeons: http://www.cmadan.com/papers/LudvEtal2014_BL.pdf

Marcia Spetch: http://sites.psych.ualberta.ca/comparativelab/
Elliot Ludvig: http://elliot.ludvig.ca
Elizabeth Kensinger: https://www2.bc.edu/elizabeth-kensinger/

Broader discussion of differences in risk preference for decisions from described probabilities and experienced outcomes ('description-experience gap'):

Related work looking at influence of cognitive biases on gambling behavior:
Luke Clark: https://twitter.com/LukeClark01; http://cgr.psych.ubc.ca
Michael Wohl: http://http-server.carleton.ca/~mwohl/Dr_Michael_Wohl/Gambling_Lab.html
Sherry Stewart: https://twitter.com/DrSHStewart   http://alcoholresearchlab.psychology.dal.ca

Parkinson's disease and pathological gambling:

Caution with consumer tDCS (paper by Nick Davis):

Excellent overview of decision-making in neurological conditions by Michael J. Frank et al:

Episode 2: The Science Behind Neurologic Music Therapy

Peggy Schaefer hips us to the science behind Neurologic Music Therapy (NMT) and we discuss some areas of application. Also polka and roller blading. Also thank you to our friends at @SpawnOnMe for the Twitter shout outs. See http://spawnon.me/


Soundcloud Link:  https://soundcloud.com/deborah-budding/episode-2

iTunes Link: https://geo.itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/neurocurious/id1078031049?mt=2

Academy of Neurologic Music Therapy


Michael Thaut PhD:  

YouTube lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw9cb7KKyPQ

Book: http://www.amazon.com/Rhythm-Music-Brain-Foundations-Applications/dp/041596475X

Program: http://www.neuroscience.utoronto.ca/faculty/list/michael_thaut.htm

Jeremy Schmahmann:

YouTube lecture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuqDnwkuCHI

Daniel Berlyne:


Leonard B Meyer:




Liz Torres PhD:




Maureen Dennis:




For a complete list of Neurologic Music Therapy research, please visit the Academy's website and click on the "Research" link at the top of the page.  The drop-down menu will offer you a choice between Clinical Research or Basic Research.  All have been compiled into domain areas. Specific references to research we discussed are below.


McIntosh, G.C., Prassas, S.G., Kenyon, G., & Thaut, M.H. 1998. Movement synchronization during rhythmic tracking: Period versus phase cuing. Proceedings Society for Neuroscience, 455.8. 

Thaut, M.H., Bin, T., & Azimi-Sadjadi, M. 1998. Rhythmic finger-tapping sequences to cosine-wave modulated metronome sequences. Human Movement Science, 17, 839-863.

Thaut, M.H., Kenyon, G.P., Schauer, M.L., & McIntosh, G.C. 1999. The connection between rhythmicity and brain function. IEEE Engineering in Medicine and Biology Magazine, 18 (2), 101-108. 

Thaut, M.H., McIntosh, G.C., Prassas, S.G., & Rice, R.R. 1992. Effects of auditory rhythmic pacing on normal gait and gait in stroke, cerebellar disorder and transverse myelitis. In M. Woollacott & F. Horak (Eds.), Posture and Gait: Control Mechanisms, Vol. 2 (pp. 437-440). Eugene, OR: University of Oregon Books


Episode 1: Introduction

Hello and welcome!  It's our first outing in the world of podcasting.  We use this time to introduce and orient everyone to who we are, our goals for the podcast, and define our foundations in a sensorimotor perspective of brain development and treatment.  As an added bonus, we discuss important current events like, "Where's the Rey doll?!"  Enjoy!

Link to Soundcloud:



Neurologic Music Therapy:    

Frontiers in Neuroscience: Neurobiological foundations of neurologic music therapy: rhythmic entrainment and the motor system    

Cerebrum: How Music Helps to Heal the Injured Brain

Len Koziol & Deborah Budding: Subcortical Structures and Cognition

Idle Thumbs: www.idlethumbs.net

Nick Wan music: farewellnickwan.bandcamp.com

Daniel Wolpert: TED Talk

Anne Donnellan:   Rethinking Autism: Implications for Sensory and Motor Differences

Charlene L. Meuhlenhard, Ph.D: Emily Taylor Center for Women and Gender Equity

Tanya DePass:                                                                                                                                                             I Need Diverse Games                                                                                                                                        Fresh Out of Tokens podcast

Real Social Skills: realsocialskills.org

Angelica Doll: www.naturallyperfectdolls.com